Erin Mosow

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01:02Welcome to Nashville Restaurant Radio, the tastiest hour of talk in Music City. Now here's your host, Brandon Styll. Hello, Music City, and welcome. To Nashville Restaurant Radio. My name is Brandon Styll, and I am your host. Joined with my co-host, Jennifer Ichikawa. Hi. Hi. You never call me Jennifer. I know, I don't know why I did that that time. That's okay. Why not? Yeah, the only person that calls me that is my mom and my husband. And now me. Yeah. Well, let's go back to Jen. It is a joke I make at tables, though. Oh, well, why does that? Because in this, here in Nashville, everyone thinks my name is Jen, like the liquor. Oh, like G-I-N, like Jen? Yeah, so when I'm like, hi, my name's Jen, they're like, oh, Jen. I'm like, no, Jen, like Jennifer. And it's a whole thing every, I do it every other table, basically.

02:05It's not funny, it's just, my name isn't Jen. Well, this is fun. So I usually just do these intros by myself because we do interviews and we're all busy and we do the interviews and we bolt out of here and we go. But today, we are graced with your presence. Yeah, you're lucky. I am lucky. Man, it's been a couple weeks, I feel like. Today on the show, we have Erin Mosso, who is the owner at Sharpies Bakery. She's a sponsor. This is not a sponsored episode. This is genuinely one of those. I love her and she's amazing and she's just, she's full of energy and every time that we talk, it ends up being like a 30-minute conversation. How did this happen? Yeah, the first time I met her was just a few weeks ago. Time doesn't mean anything, I don't know when it was. But anyway, we just started talking about all the shows that we watched together and bonded really quickly and it was a whole thing and you were like, damn it, why aren't we recording this? I know, so hopefully we'll get into some of that today.

03:07Hopefully we'll just, I have a feeling that we're just gonna be all over the place with this show and I love it because I think you can focus sometimes too much on the business and we get in there, but I just wanna just have fun. Yeah, well and now that we don't see each other every day, I feel like we get a little lost in that too. So yeah, we've, gosh, it's been like a week since I've even seen you, how have you been? Good, tired, the kids are going through a 15-month sleep regression, so I'm tired, but good, otherwise, you know. I'm coaching baseball now. We have a head coach, I'm like an assistant coach, but I'm on the field with them, I'm the third base coach. Cool. And sometimes it's fun watching your kids up there, but it's crazy. Does each base have a coach? Well, first and third, yeah. Why not second? Because it's in the middle of the playing field. Oh, that's fair. Coaches can't be out there. I can be on like in the foul ball area. Okay. And so my role is when the kids are, when they round second base, they're looking at me as to whether to keep running, to stop, or to continue to go to home.

04:13And our coach is like, no, dude, like send them home. And we're playing a game the other night against the, and what do you think, this is eight-U, right? This is eight-year-olds. And we're playing this game, and the coach is like, send them, send them home. Like we need to score runs. And we were up 14 to nothing. Oh, wow. And you know, so like when the kid's running second base and they're throwing the ball and they're trying, they're eight-year-olds, seven, eight-year-olds trying to throw the ball in. And I'm like, hey, just wait at third. Like, I don't want to run up the score. Sure. Right, I mean, we were clearly like winning. Do you guys actually keep score, or is this like? Oh yeah, no, there's a scoreboard in the outfield. All right. Keep score. And you're looking at this and you're like, we're up 14 to nothing. And we're like, the route is on. Right. And it's like, I don't want to just keep sending in players. Like literally the game ended, and our team did amazing. Game ended and it was like 18 to nothing. And I'm like, that's just demoralizing for the other. This isn't like, these are adults playing and they're talking smack. Like these are seven and eight-year-olds. Sure.

05:14And it's supposed to be like a character building. Like fun thing, and I guess you got to learn how to lose, but like, I don't know. You're like, I just fell asleep. We lost all of our listeners. No, no, no, no. I played baseball. I was the only girl in the league. I was nine years old and I hated it. Like a lot. I was so picked on. I love baseball. Well, no, I loved baseball. That's why I did it. And I really wanted to play baseball, not softball. Cause I wanted to make my grandfather really proud. So I was on the Mets, which was his favorite team. And I'm pretty sure they drew straws over like, who had to pick me because they couldn't not let me in. Yeah. But I was the only girl and I got made fun of so bad for being the only girl. Sorry. So my dad had to join the league. This was like, as a coach, like as an assistant coach, just to be like in the dugout with us because they were so mean to me. And I was catcher, which I think is actually gross joke. But at the time I didn't know that. And so anyway, I always just played catcher. But to this day, I'm actually a really good catcher.

06:14Well, that's good. It's the only like athletic thing. So whenever I'm like, oh yeah, throw it to me. People are always wary of that because of who I am and I get it. But every time they do, I catch it and they're like, oh, okay, that was a good catch. I'm like, it was a normal catch. I just caught it. Like they're just surprised by the fact that I caught it. That's weird. I hate that. That's like a thing. Oh, it's, I mean, I present myself as a sports hating person. So like, it's okay. But yeah, this was, I was a trailblazer for girls that now play football. Hey, go get it. Yeah, this was 98, 99. Let's go. Yeah. Well, I think we're gonna have fun time. Do you have any expectations for this conversation with Erin? No, I mean, I love bread. And so I love that she bakes bread and she's really sweet. She's always like really genuine. I think to me, she's like one of these people who I call a friend who I know is a local owner of a business. And I just know that, you know, they've gone through a lot. She made a post and I want to ask her about this.

07:17She made a post where she was like, this person was treating me terribly and this is not okay. And like, she's a local business owner. And I think we've made so much of a go eat local, eat local, eat local. And we want to do that, but like, she's a local business owner that's selling to restaurants and she's been nothing but supportive to everybody. And she's been hustling and I love having her as a sponsor, I want people to like learn about her, who she is so that, you know, they can make their decision where they buy their bread. But also I want people to know like, she's a local business and she's out there hustling and she doesn't have like this huge, gigantic warehouse of like bread. Like it's a small place, her dad built it. She has like this girl, Tamara, who works with her, who like, it's like them, they like run the whole thing. And it's not like some massive bakery, like it's kind of small and they're both, she's just amazing. So hopefully we can get into all that today. And I have every intention to talk about The Bachelor too. Good, because I'm still a little salty at you about it.

08:18Well, that's okay. Well, I can't wait to hear more about that. We'll talk about that in the show when it happens. Oscars were the other night. Oh no. No, I don't look, I don't want to make this a long conversation, but I think that people, I don't know if people care what our thoughts are or not. I've learned the hard way that they don't. Well, I was just going to say Coda winning. That's not a... Coda? Yeah, they won best picture. What's Coda? A movie. About what? You didn't watch the Oscars? No, I was at a drag show. I was at the, that was the night I was at the Ryman. We saw Trixie and Katya live and that was the Ryman's first ever drag show, which I mean, Dolly's been there. So like loosely first ever drag show, but like it was, I was busy. How was it? It was so good. It's like trying to describe the show is weird because the best I've got for it is that like when you picture a one woman show, you kind of picture like one woman doing like 30,000 things and it was them together doing that.

09:23It didn't make a ton of sense, but it was so funny. And like, I'm in that community. Like I watched a lot of drag. I love, I follow them. I'm obsessed with them. My husband's not. But he went. And had like a great time. So you didn't even need to know all of the references that they made to like get it. And anyway, it was really good. I bought Trixie cosmetics, lipstick and a t-shirt that I almost wore today. Really? It was very, very cool. And I got to go to assembly food hall right before. Instead you're wearing a shirt that says. Oh, I'm pretty cool, but I cry a lot. You texted me. You're like, Hey, this assembly food hall is bad ass. Yeah. It's cool. You have fun? Yeah. I mean, I'd never been there. So I didn't even, it didn't look like downtown to me anymore. It was so different. Everywhere downtown looks like that now. It's so weird. Like I thought, and I was really, I mean, I'm directionally challenged, but I was turned around the whole time. Cause I'm like, wait, where exactly is the Ryman in relation to that? And it's right there. Directly across the street. Yeah. It's wild. So anyway, no, it was really cool. And yeah, we had, we met up with a few friends and it was really fun.

10:27That's awesome. Yeah. But you know, when you have small kids and you're constantly doing, I've never had twins, but I'd had two kids under two, you know? And so when you're dealing with them to be able to get out and do like adult things with like your husband or wife. Yeah. It's a, it's a special time that you got to cherish. Yeah. I don't know the last time like we did that. It's big. Yeah. All right. Well, hey, let's jump in with our conversation with Erin Mosso. Super excited today to welcome in Erin Mosso. Hello. She's the owner of Sharpier's Bakery. You hear us talk about Sharpier's Bakery all the time. And now you are here live in the flesh to do an interview. Yes. This is an amazing studio. I really appreciate you guys having me in. I'm happy to see Jen and both Brandon. Both Brandon. Yeah. Like two people now? Oh, Jen and Brandon both. Oh yeah. Sorry. A few personalities. So I don't, I have no idea what we're going to talk about today.

11:30I think we're going to talk about bread. Yeah. But I think we're also just, I'm going to warn the audience that I think we're going to go off the rails a little bit today. Okay. And that's okay. Yeah. Last time we were together, we talked about the bachelorette. Yeah. The bachelorette for a very long time. I mean, I have never had a 30 minute conversation with two people who legitimately wanted to talk about that with me. They're what they were like, we had to like all this information to say, you know, do you watch this season? I didn't. I, you know, that's the thing. That's my major problem is that I didn't watch it, but I read all of the blogs about it. He did that too. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no. Don't defend yourself. I watched the after the final rose. This is what this man did all season. I'm like, are you watching it? Are you watching? No, no, no, I'm not watching it. Okay. So finally the episodes airing, I have children. I work at night, right? I hadn't gotten a chance to watch it. And this man texts me and he goes, do you want to know how it ends? And I'm like, are you? Spoiler alert. You will watch none of this. Anyway, he did tell me. And then I did watch the episode. You asked me. You said, yeah, tell me. Well, yeah, yeah, that's fine.

12:31But my point is you watched none of this season. So this whole season, I was hanging out to dry. Like you didn't want to talk. There's some movie or something where the guy reads the last page of the book. Oh wait, is it when Harry met Sally? Where he reads the last page of the book. So many years. I know where he reads the last page of the book to find out what happens. And I sort of do that with The Bachelor and The Bachelor in Paradise. Do you? A little bit. But I just don't have time to watch it because to watch those shows, number one, they're like three hours long. Yeah, they're very long. If you don't record it and fast forward to the end. You have to fast forward through everything. And so it's like, I need television shows that are in the background. You know what I mean? I am interested in what's happening in Bachelor in Paradise. But I also have to like cook dinner or get dressed or whatever. So I don't have time to fast forward. No, Bachelor in Paradise. Now that is appointment television. Yeah, he has a commitment to that. That's the show. But he left me hanging on the last two seasons of Bachelorette and Bachelor.

13:32So I'm not salty about it at all. And we had this conversation before where we're talking about the host of Bachelor in Paradise and I am like a huge David Spade fan for, I mean, not in general. He was hilarious as a host on Bachelor in Paradise. I think he's a great host for Bachelor in Paradise. He clearly loves the show, the format. Can we talk about, what's the Bachelor's name? I don't even know his name. What was his name? Do you know? Something with a C. Clayton, yeah. He's like a general guy. I think the show is. Yeah, he's not my type. You would walk past him in the grocery store. He's not my type either, but. Well, I'm fascinated by what I've learned, right? So this is why I love the show, okay? And I'm just gonna say this because he has three girls and there's a thing called the fantasy suite. There's one episode called, if you're not a Bachelor watcher, and you know what? Hopefully you're gonna hear this, you're gonna start watching, because it's back. I think it's back. Yeah, they need ratings for sure. It's back. Well, it's back. I didn't like it during the pandemic because they were all. The most dramatic season ever.

14:33Which I think this was, right? So he tells three girls, one of the things that the Bachelors you don't do is you don't say that you love the person, right? Because you have to wait till the very end and then when the Bachelor says, I love you, you're the Bachelorette, whatever it is. But he goes going into the fantasy suite, he tells all three girls before he goes up to sleep with them in three consecutive days. Three consecutive girls, three consecutive days, tells them all that he loves them. Well, he doesn't sleep with that third girl. No, then you have SEX. This is a Southern show. Yeah, they didn't. Yeah, they didn't. The third girl, they did not have sex. Because that was Susie. Well, no, because he told her, she said basically like, if you had sex with those other people, I'm not gonna continue this. But then they ended up together. Which is like every episode, every season I've ever watched, I've been like, why is that girl not, am I the third one? Like am I the third girl? I don't think that's the thing that they're like weird about. I don't know, my husband was like, I'd want to go first. Like if I'm gonna do this, I want to be number one.

15:34I want to set the standard. I don't want to, I mean. No, you know what? Even third is just, it's just. Maybe third was, you know, I don't know. Were the first two disappointing? Like now he has some expectations. But I mean, how can you. It's not his. I don't think it's his virginity though. I think he'll have expectations regardless. I. Can you imagine marrying somebody after going on four dates? I mean, I think we all watch his show, but literally they probably spent, I don't know, I'm gonna go wild here and say a week with each other. Yeah, I'll be honest. I like fully am the type of person that can suspend my suspension of willing disbelief or whatever. Suspension of, yeah. Yeah, I am the type of person that would be like, yeah, we're in love. Like a hundred percent. I've fallen in love with everyone I've dated. Like I could do that in my 20s. Now in my 30s, I'm like, oh my God, show me a tax return. I want to see everything you have going on. But I have kids now and I have a husband now. Show me a tax return.

16:34I want to know. What is your credit score? Have you been to therapy? I want to talk to your therapist. I want to meet her. I want to just like know what's going on here. I'm like, have you ever waited tables? Have you worked in retail? Those are my things. I mean, I've been married. Well, I've only been married for five and a half years, but we've been together for 10. But I'm like, have you worked in retail? Have you waited tables or done some shitty job? Well, I think, well, it's not a shitty job. This is a respectable job. No, but it's a hard job. It's a hard service. I actually dumped somebody one time. Gosh, what was I doing up there? Oh, this was right after my freshman year of college. So my sister went to college in Boston, married a guy. They went to college in Boston. Did they know each other more than a week? Yes. Okay. They did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They weren't on TV. This is like late, you know. Oh, this is probably like mid-90s. Yeah, it was like old school. Like no online dating or whatever. Friend of a friend. They dated. Can they actually meet people?

17:35They're still married. Yes. They're actually married with a child that's going to college. But the whole point was is that, wait, I forgot where I was going. See, this is what I was talking about. Yeah, I know. You guys are fun. So you're saying they're still married, kid in college. Oh, yes. So I had gone up there for my sister's, what do you call it, bridal shower with his parents who were, you know, from the Westchester area. And it was kind of a fancy party. It was beautiful. And somebody there offered me a job for the summer. They said, what are you doing this summer? And I was, at the time, I was going to the University of Texas in Austin. And so I was just gonna like get a bar job, you know, as a cocktail waitress or something for the summer and make money. And they were like, why don't you come up here and work at our restaurant? And so I went up there and I still lost my train of thought. Why you dumped a guy? Oh, yeah. I dated this guy while I was there.

18:36Thank you, Jen. This is what I do for people. I know, I know, I know. She does this to me all the time. The point is, okay, I'm gonna just say the straight thing. I dated him and he was super nice, but he said that he got a job at a restaurant and that they made him like peel shrimp for two days. And he was like, I quit, that was BS. I'm not gonna do that. Do you think shrimp peel themselves? I just remember thinking like, that's what jobs are, you know? I don't know, I grew up in the food business. He was like, that was totally BS. They just made me peel shrimp. I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt because I have worked in lots of restaurants. And there was one where I was like, I'll say it later, which the name of it. I trained. I bet you couldn't. I'll tell you it's in East Nashville, near Five Points. Anyway, I did training there and I hated it so much that I just stopped going, which I've never done in my life.

19:37And they called me and they were like, hey, are you coming in? And I'm like, nah. And they were like, today? I'm like, no, ever. We're good, I'm done. And it was the worst. But maybe that restaurant just wasn't the right fit because I've never done that, but it was bad. This was not a working class guy. He lived in Chappaqua where the Clintons live. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And he was trying to be, and I'm doing quote, regular or whatever. And he just, he was spoiled. He was a nice person, but. So this is what I was talking about. We hang out with friends and we can just talk. And this is fun. But I know that people want to hear about you, Erin. They want to know about you. Growing up, they want to know about your bakery because this is National Restaurant Radio. We could do a whole spinoff that's like reality TV. I don't watch, I watch like, my reality TV is like the NFL. That's not the same thing. That's reality. That's happening live. It's sports. I know, we're a baseball family. Okay. Oh yeah. Braves? No, Yankees.

20:38Oh. Yankees and the White Sox. Well, my dad was a White Sox guy. My husband and his dad are Yankees guys. The evil empire, huh? Yeah. Mm-hmm. I know nothing as the Yankees. I like the Yankees. I'm good with the Yankees. I'm an Yankees fan. And in our defense, like we have season tickets to The Sounds. We love that. Like we've been going since they started. Every game, well, we'll just go down there like, right when it starts and get hot dogs and we leave at the fourth inning. You know, like, you know. You know, my favorite sound story is people, my theory was that nobody in Nashville, the town that Nashville is, we have a baseball team and it's a great experience at the park. Yeah. We have a miniature golf course at the park. Yo, yo, yo, yo. If it shows how disinterested we are in actually watching The Sounds play, that's the thing, right? So I think you go to the baseball park, you get the live, I'm at the ballpark baseball experience. I'm eating a hot dog, watching baseball in the summer. It's amazing, right? You can go in the outfield, stand in the grass. It's just, it's a cool experience.

21:39But that's hard for like a four-year-old or a three-year-old or a five-year-old, you know? So that, I mean, so like while we are a baseball family, my husband is really into baseball. You know, our whole family is. But like for our kids, you know, they just, they're not gonna sit there and watch. No, but it's a little bit slow. As a minor league team, it's tough because like you have like a really good player on the team that's like, oh, this guy's awesome. Oh, he gets called up. Like, I mean, like, you don't, they're not gonna win any kind of World Series. Like Mr. Wendell? It's just a thing. Yeah, so like if we had a team like the Yankees, if we had a team that was here and the Yankees came to town, you'd probably stay the whole game because there's meaning to it. And you could potentially go to the playoffs in a World Series, it's a big deal. So I have this contention that nobody really gives a shit about The Sounds, and so I used to drive, I would drive Uber, Lyft, whatever, every once in a while. I did it actually a couple weeks ago, it was really fun. Did you? On the down-low, I just drove one night and I was like, I'm just gonna go out and drive. It's gonna be awesome. We're learning so much about each other's last week. I know, right?

22:39I haven't seen you. Well, they send these things out that's like, hey, if you go, I've been driven in like a year. Like a promotion or something. Hey, if you go do 10 rides, we'll give you $350. And it's like, okay. I just put new brakes on the car, it was like 500 bucks. I was like, I'll go work for three and a half hours and make $500, I'm gonna go do that, right? So they talk you into it. And then I started driving. Really twisted your arm. And then the next day it was like, hey, do 10 more rides for $250. I worked a total of like 10 hours and I made like $972. You're making Uber and Lyft. Wait, I know. You haven't gotten to the point of your story, but I actually just, for some reason, after 10 years working the bakery and taking samples downtown, realized that I should just take an Uber or a Lyft. I usually do Lyft because they were first in Nashville, so I feel like a little bit like I do Lyft. Main headquarters here. And if I'm carrying bags of bread and all this stuff, for 10 years I have been driving downtown, looking for a parking, I've gotta spend an hour trying to figure out where to go.

23:43And then I'm trying to drag all my samples. And for some reason it just occurred to me a month ago. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. To take an Uber or like to take a Lyft and it costs $12, which is cheaper than the parking. And they dropped me off right at the door and I'd bring my samples in. I'm not sure why I didn't. But you could be my Uber guy. Yeah, well, my story was, it was about 11 o'clock at night and I was wrapping up for the day and I got a pickup in Germantown for two people and it was from the stadium. And so I pulled up and the guys get in the car and I said, you guys at the sounds game? They go, yeah, yeah, we're there. And I said, awesome, was it fun? And they go, yeah, it was great. And I said, I have this theory that people only go to sounds games because it's just an event. I mean, they're kind of the exact story I just told you guys, right? Because this is a baseball experience. Nobody really gives a shit about the players. And I go, I mean, can you guys name one player on the team? And the guy goes, well, I'm John Smith and I was the starting pitcher tonight. Oh no, oh my God. He goes, I pitched eight scoreless innings tonight and struck out 12 and I was like, oh.

24:49You're a five star rating team. I am going to shut the fuck up. I mean, did you just say I'm an asshole? Oh yeah, oh yeah. The dude who was with him was like the catcher. And they're like, well, we both played tonight and I'm on the team. Well, I'll remember your name forever now because I am the biggest asshole. Well, you guys didn't catch when I said Mr. Wendell. So for years, and I think he's been pulled up to the majors at this point. But Mr. Wendell, or his last name is Wendell. And so since my husband and I are from the 90s, we were like, Mr. Wendell. Why is that not his walk up song? No, but that's his actual last name. Yeah, but that was a song by who the hell sings Mr. Wendell. Yeah, I got it, I got it. But I mean, it doesn't have like a lot of hype to it. Like if you're walking up to the. Yeah, there's not like, everybody has like, when baseball players walk up to that, they have play a hype song. Each player gets to pick their song that they play.

25:50So some it's like a country song or like a hip hop song. That's exactly what it is. This is the song that does walk up music, right? Yeah. Wendell, when he gets up, it's like, why is Mr. Wendell not playing? Yeah, no, Mr. Wendell, yeah. Perfect. But it's also like that song. Mr. Wendell was a homeless guy in the song. There's a video. For those of you who are out there. He's got to look it up. I got to know now. I did play baseball though. There's people in their cars right now shouting who it is. I don't sports like at all, but I, my grandfather, who I adored. I was going to say it's Arrested Development and it was Arrested Development. I thought that was just a show. Oh my God. Jason Bateman. Here we go. Yep, no. This was like a very big song. This is it right here. This is very 90s. You don't remember this song? No. What year did it come out? Hold on.

26:53God, it was 90s. Yeah, it's definitely 90s. Oh, I stopped it. Don't call it. Don't stop it. Be strong, serve God only. Know that if you do beautiful, heaven awaits. Ask to pull my rope for the first time. If you're there, just dance it. There's like a fucking Blake look on Jen's face. She's like, looking at us like, this is terrible. It couldn't have been like a, I mean. Oh, that was like a top 10 song. Wow. Oh, it's a big one. Oh yeah, this is a big song. Wait, let's see it's chorus here. It's gonna change my whole mind. Yes. You'll hear it and you go. That doesn't do it for us. I feel like the drop is not gonna be as hard as we think it is. Yeah. Are we in the chorus yet? No. I think we got it off the rails. I'm telling you. Okay, we're gonna stop that. What year did it come out? It was an early. I will tell you. Hold on. I'll look it up now. I'll tell you what year Mr. Wendell came out.

27:54It was probably like 93. That's what I would guess. Do you remember the year I was born, right? What year was that? 1992. Oh, I said 93. So I wasn't that far off. This is 92. I was born in 1990. So that wasn't big on your, on your middle school dance list because for me in 1992, I was 12. Yeah, I love that. So it was like that popular in 93. So that was like hardcore, like junior high dance. Right, yeah. I'm not sure exactly how. This is the portion where Jen makes us feel old. Was it a slow dance? So that video that I posted on Instagram where I was drunk, right? And the video talks about the fact that I was drunk and I was rewatching a show from my youth called Degrassi and I loved it. Degrassi? It's a Canadian show. It's a Canadian show and it dealt with real topics and stuff. Drake was in it. Drake was in it before he was Drake. I didn't watch it. I just know this stuff because I, I fill my brain with. So I loved it and it was so cutting edge and edgy at the time. And anyways. There was actually a Degrassi before. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

28:55It starts with that. It's like, here's the old characters. Now they all have kids. So anyway, I'm watching it. The look on Brandon's face right now. Why was I telling you this? I'm good. Oh, because. Oh, you've lost your train of thought? Thank God. It's not only me. There's individual consultants in here. I can't remember why I was telling you that. Oh, they're talking about like the middle school dance and there and whatever. Anyway, that was my whole thing. But on this Instagram video where I'm drunk, I literally say in the video, like I am only talking to people in high school the same time I am. If you're not, if you're older than that, that's fine. You're not old, you're cool, whatever. But I'm not talking to you. Like move on. And I got so many people messaging me like, excuse me. I know that show. I'm like, whatever. I mean, I know what it is. So I was born in 1980, but I know what Degrassi is. 79 over here. Yeah. My husband is 77. No judgment. I'm just. Yeah, no, but I know what Degrassi is. And there was also another like Nick. There was like a Nickelodeon version. Oh, you actually lost me. I only watched the hard stuff. Yeah, yeah. No. I only wanted the real deal.

29:57Okay, I'm gonna act like a fisherman and reel this in. Are we supposed to hear you talk about my bakery? Let's talk about your bakery. Like I said, I warned everybody out there listening that like this and people will probably get the most comments about this. Like do more of that. We're tired of hearing business shit. We just talk about, we just do. You can just come in. We'll do a monthly show. We just rip on nothing. Just give me five minutes. I'll talk about the bakery and then we can go back to bachelor in paradise. Okay, so 30, 36 years. This bakery has been around way longer than Jen has been around. She's barely into her thirties. Yes. Me too. Me too. There you go. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a lie. So we talk about Sharpies Bakery and I talk about Erin Mosso and God's gift to this world is fresh baked bread because, and I'll tell you, I was- I thought you were gonna say God's gift to this world is Erin Mosso. I did too. That was a let down. Well, there's that too. She makes the fresh baked bread. Whatever, you really elevated the bread. I did. I elevated the bread way higher than I should have. But fresh bread, it's like Italian food and Italian wine to me, like fresh baked bread.

31:01Old bread sucks. In fresh, I was there the other day in the bakery walking around and I was eating warm bread straight out of the oven and I was like, oh, this is where it's at. And then I was like, I have to stop doing this right now because this is a lot of bread. Well, what I have to say is, I mean, I think a lot of people during COVID started making bread and they were feeling like super self-conscious about this and that and like, they weren't getting the crumb they wanted and they're, you know, reading that book that has the, whatever the book is that has like that big crunchy loaf on the front. I think everybody post it. You guys, you guys are looking at me blank. You don't know what I'm talking about. I tried to make steam buns because my husband's Japanese. That's gonna be hard. Oh, it was an epic failure. As somebody who knows about bread, I mean, I think that that's a much more difficult thing. It looks simple, but it's not. It was a full on epic failure. Yeah, but I mean, so everybody started making bread, you know, during COVID. Sourdough starters, the whole thing, yeah. And so, and that was before COVID, that was already a thing, you know, where it was like these five days sourdoughs, that kind of thing.

32:04And that's beautiful and it tastes amazing and it's wonderful. It's not what we do, you know? And so people wanna talk to me about it. And I'm like, I don't really know about that, you know? We do short runs, you know, we do fresh bread every day, you know? Where did it start? Let's talk about the genesis of Sharpies, right? And why Sharpies? Why the name? Sharpies is my grandmother's maiden name. Her name is Jean Sharpie. And she was from like the, her family was, and don't quote me on this, from the Alsace-Lorraine like area. Our family is Jewish, but she was from the French area. So her last name, her maiden name was Sharpie. Everybody's gonna get into your like Xfinity cable account now, they're gonna call it, what is your maiden name? Oh, my grandmother's maiden name, Sharpie. Thank God, yeah. My mom's maiden name is much easier than that, yeah. Let's not announce it. I love how that's like the deciding factor for all of your identity.

33:07Like, that is hard content to find. My password is not Sharpie, okay. My password is not password. So it's sort of a, I'll try to tell it as quickly as possible. So my grandparents grew up outside of Chicago in the Waukegan, Illinois area. Okay. And they moved down to Greenville, Mississippi. They were doing like a big, so Greenville, Mississippi people aren't, you know, they're not familiar with the areas like the Delta, the Mississippi, it has a lot of history. And they were trying to bring, they were trying to bring business down there. And so my grandfather was a mechanical engineer. He went down there, he opened up a nut and bolt factory. And so my dad moved there when he was a little kid. So while we're very Southern, my family isn't traditionally Southern. So my dad and his four siblings grew up there. And in old school, like, basically there was a bakery in Greenville where my dad grew up.

34:12They were gonna close, well, they did close, actually the original baker sold it to another family. And then my dad, because my grandfather was a mechanical engineer, my dad knew a lot about equipment and how to fix things and that kind of thing. And so he would buy equipment from businesses that were closing, fix them up and sell it. And so he was gonna do that with the Jeffersons who had bought it from the original owner. Well, the original owner found out that my dad was gonna do that and that he had bought it all for $2,500 and said, you know what, instead of selling the equipment, I can teach you how to bake. Do you wanna open a business? You know? And my dad was like, okay. You know, like, this was, I made my notes, 1973. So it was before my sister and I were both born. He had just married my mom. They'd been married for a couple years. And so, yeah, so this guy taught him how to bake. Nice. Yeah, and he did it. We were in Greenville. I was born there in 1980. So he did it for about seven years there.

35:14Okay. We moved to New Orleans where he worked for some of the Po Boy companies. He worked for a grocery store, Canal Villery. And then, you know. What's the other, what's the huge name down there? It's? Laudanheimer and Gambino's. Laudanheimer is what I'm thinking. Yeah, yeah. That's the bread. Yeah, my dad worked for them. Yeah, okay. So he worked for them. He was low man on the ton and pole. But still. Yeah. I mean, so some of the people here that do Po Boys, like, they have to buy bread from, they sell frozen, like, par baked bread, I think. Yeah, you can get Laudanheimer's frozen bread shipped. Yeah. So many people say, like, it's the original thing, but, like, you can probably make that bread fresh. I think they make a beautiful bread. I think that when you par bake and store stuff and ship it, that affects your bread, you know? As opposed to, like, maybe you don't have the perfect bread locally or whatever, but it's still fresh. So I think there's some advantage to that. But, and then, so we were in New Orleans for three and a half years.

36:16Then we moved to Aspen, Colorado. My dad worked for Port LaFrance there, which is now a big chain, like, at airports. But it was a small bakery back then. And then in 86, he decided, my grandfather was like, don't you wanna just work for yourself? So we moved here after he did, like, a lot of research, trying to figure out the best city. He wanted to move back to the South to be close to family. So it was between here and Charlotte. So he was, like, up in the library doing research, I assume, with, like, microfiche or something like about. No. No, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what microfiche is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. College in the 90s. Yeah, like, just trying to figure out, you know. These little microfiche films. The economy, and so he chose Nashville. Okay, sharp guy. Yeah, and it was a good decision. Sharpie A guy. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I see what you did there, I like that. I may not know what microfiche is, but I can make a pun.

37:16So back then, like, the grocery stores, they still, like, their bakery and their butcher, or whatever, it was still sort of like a separate entity within the grocery store. So he opened up at Tidwell's in 1986, which is at the 180th, or the. 71 hundreds, but. Thank you. Which is, like, the place I imagine there's gotta be accidents, like, every day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know how that is not. I know. Where is it at? It's on, like, so high 100. Is it across from, like, Sam's and Sportsman's? Yeah, there's a Sportsman's Grill there. It used to be, Finesa was there, but I think now it's a Coco's Italian Market. Yeah, Finesa's, yeah. There's the West Me liquor store there, but there's a split where 7100 go apart. And then right after that is the 360 place. 360 Bistro. Yeah, and so there used to be. Where they gave Day Spa and all that stuff. There used to be a place called the Corner Market, which is right on the corner where Sam's place is now, and it was this really cool hyper local market. And across the street was, I guess, Tidwell's, and then it turned into, from there, it went to be Harris Teeter, or is it Kroger?

38:20There must have been something in between Tidwell's and Harris Teeter. There's a Harris Teeter for a long time. I think it was like a McClure's department store. Oh yeah, McClure's, yeah, oh yeah. Oh yeah, you could go see the bunnies. Yeah, like. There's a, we've lived a long time. There's a, that's been a long. Yeah, that's a very native Nashville thing, like the bunnies at McClure's. We've been to. You guys are really creating clubs with your age and how long you've been here. I can go. We're very special. Hey, have you ever been to Phillip's Toy Mart? No. Oh, okay. Sorry. That's also a toy store. Well, you have kids now, so you will find out what it is, and they also have bunnies. They have live bunnies there to touch at Easter. Cool. And so there was a department store across the street that had like a whole bunny area in the shoe section. What? Yeah, it was in the shoe section. McClure's? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah. I wasn't like a big McClure's guy, but like. He was thinking bunny in a shoe, I think. No, no, no. I don't wanna leave Jen out of this. It's okay, I'll come back later.

39:22She'll be back later. So she was, Tid Wells, he was selling fresh bread to Tid Wells. Yeah, and so, but I mean, like you talk about Corner Market, that was one of our first customers. I mean, and you talk about other people who are now in the restaurant business, like Austin Ray was making sandwiches at. Corner Market. The RB Gar, the best damn sandwich ever. You know, my husband actually worked there too. His sister worked there. Yeah, everybody worked there. That was the place to work. Yeah. It was a pretty cool place. Sounds cool. And Corner Market is still here. But they have like a catering, don't they? Yeah, they have catering. They have a whole shop over there by Baskin Robbins on Annex. I did not know that. You didn't know that? Oh yeah, you can walk in there and get a lot of prepared foods and. Well, that's awesome. Yeah. Well, shout out to the Corner Market. Yeah, shout out to Emily. What's up, Emily? Yes. Good stuff. So Ted Wells, and then you're telling the story. Okay, so they had Ted Wells in there. We'll get Jen back in here, come on. And then my dad decided to build his own building.

40:22It was 89. We built over right there on Duluth Avenue, what we now call Charlotte Park. It was not a cool neighborhood at the time at all. And the street is entirely industrial. It still is. And then that's where we went from there. You know, I spent my entire life in that building. What was it like growing up, like around a bakery? It was awesome. Back then, so now we do like 99% bread, right? So we don't do desserts and all that kind of stuff. But over the years, over 35 years, we did a lot of different things. So there was like cake decorating and that kind of thing. And I remember there was this woman, Bridget, who decorated all the cakes. And she would have these five gallon tubs of icing. And I would just had to be up there because it was much smaller back then. And my parents were working there on Saturday, you know? So I had to be there too. And I would just grab these huge handfuls of nasty blue icing, you know?

41:25My kids would just go crazy for that. Yeah, no, I mean, as a 41-year-old, I look back and think, ooh, that was like the cheapest, grossest icing ever. But yeah, no, it was great. And back then, we also, everybody in the family was involved. My mom did deliveries. So I would go on deliveries with my mom. And as my dad said, look for the dumpster. If you aren't sure where to deliver, look for the dumpster because that's always where the back door to the kitchen is, right? I've never heard that. And I've been in sales a long time. It's good advice, because it's true. That's true. Look for the dumpster. The back door of the kitchen is never far from the dumpster. And so I'd go there. My mom would put me up on the counter and these chefs would try to feed me. I mean, you're talking like, these are old-school, like Debaquette, like Anita Hartell, like, you know. Wow, we're going old school, I like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Corey.

42:25Or Goma Cormac? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Trying to feed me and I was like a super, but I was just having to go because where else was I supposed to be, you know? Yeah, no. It was much smaller than, yeah. My dad had a Christian music magazine. He had many of them, but I was always at his office and just hanging out around the whole thing. Yeah, I just lived in the bakery. Yeah, absolutely, yeah. I was just there, just kind of kicking it. Everybody was just feeding me, giving me sugar. Yeah, it was fun. Yeah, it totally was fun. Fun being a kid. Yeah. I bring my kids when they come to the restaurant. I always walk them to the kitchen. They're like walking into the walk-in the freezer is like the most amazing thing. Like, this is the, you walk in the freezer. I'm like, yeah, man. They go in there, I'll close the door. Like, no, no, no, no. I know other people want to bring their kids to our bakery, like as a tour or whatever. Cause my kids are just like, they just walk through like no biggie. They're like, is there a PlayStation here? Yeah, they're like, no, they're like, are there buns here? Yeah, I'm like, yes, there are warm buns. Yeah. I made a huge mistake one time on the way to daycare and I stopped and got warm buns.

43:28And now I have to do that like every other day. Oh, wow. It's a thing, warm buns. Like they act like they never got fed or whatever. Well, I will tell you, I love you come by here and you drop off these jalapeno buns for our guests. When you come into a live interview with us, we send you home with some sharpies, some fresh baked sharpies bread. And we had, you dropped some off and then the person canceled. Yeah. Oh, so you guys got to take it home, good. Oh, he did. He dug it. And ate bread. It was ridiculous. It was amazing. He was very excited. Oh yeah. No, I was like, oh. It's gonna be hard. Yeah, I mean, like warm bread. And I would say that to all the people who have started making bread over the last couple of years, like. You're gonna get to hear her advice for amateur bread makers right afterward from these sponsors. Are you a professional looking for a job here in Nashville? Maybe you're just looking for a gig. You need maybe a better work-life balance, change the way you work.

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46:36No. You know what I mean? Like even if it's too dense, even if it has a terrible crust or whatever, like it still tastes good. Warm bread's warm bread. Yeah. Good stuff. Yeah, I stopped eating bread in 2019 because of, we got married in 2019. I was like, oh, I'm gonna lose all this. I did it for like, I did keto. My husband is Japanese. We eat a lot of white rice too. So I was like, man, this is cutting out most of my diet. I couldn't, and anyway, I decided, I chose Joy. I looked great at my wedding. I was gonna lose weight for my wedding. And then I remember I was sitting with the guy from the tulip tree or whatever, looking at calendars, and I thought, wait a second. So in the meantime, I was six months pregnant at my wedding. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah. I was looking at that calendar and thinking, hmm. You know what? You know what, I haven't thought about that in a while, but yeah. Okay, so we see how we do this. Sorry, we gotta go back to the bakery.

47:37Yeah. Well, so I think we can fast forward. I mean, your dad starts Sharpier's Bakery, you're off Duluth Avenue, you're in Charlotte Park, and he's working with restaurants. He's found restaurants back then. You're going to make deliveries, and let's fast forward, that was 36 years ago. Yeah. Let's fast forward to 10 years ago. Okay. Right, because I think that's when you took over. Absolutely, yeah. Right, so what was the circumstances around you coming in and taking over? Was he just tired of it? Did he wanna retire? Were you like, I love this business, I have a passion for it, this is what I wanna do? What's the story? I think it started a few years before that. I had always been in hospitality. I always just ended up working in restaurants and hospitality, and my dad had always said when I was a kid, like, hey girl, you can do anything. You are so capable. Promise me you'll stay out of the food business. You know what I mean? Because it is complicated, you know? And especially back, I mean, you're talking about like the 80s and 90s, like you really wanna get into it. You know, he was like, just stay out of that.

48:37But I always was like peripherally around it, whether it was hospitality or whatever. And I think- It's hard to get out. Yeah, it is. And I think when you grow up, but there's a certain kind of people that have like great personalities and are so outgoing and have a lot going for them that choose the food business. You know, they like it, you know? Yeah. And I grew up around those kind of people and was drawn to them. And so I always stayed in hospitality. And so I had gotten a print journalism degree in 1998. It was not a great choice, like not knowing that. Yeah, yeah. It's not a bad, I mean, you can have a degree, but I don't have a degree. Yeah, but a few years before that, basically I had moved back to Nashville in 2006. I think 2006 or 2007, it was right before the recession. And I was working at a downtown law firm trying to use my degree communications. And I just wasn't doing that good of a job, honestly. And I got fired. And so I started working at sports. Yeah, I started working at Sportsman's in Hillsborough Village because it was a place I was familiar with and they were a customer.

49:41And I knew the people that worked there because I also would go there. Not familiar with the upstairs, that place at all. No, me either. I've never met Brad. But I think during that time I thought, what am I gonna do? I keep getting drawn back into this business. I'm not doing well in this sort of corporate world. So I was like, and the economy is tanking. I think what happens if I go to culinary school? Like I was 29 and I thought, okay, I'm gonna go that one. Which one's the best one? Google. And so I went to CIA. Oh, wow. Yeah, and so ended up doing that for two years. It's associate's degree. So it's like 18 to 20 months or something like that. And I did up there. But the thing is, when I mentioned that to my dad, I thought he was just gonna say, you know what? You are 28, 29 years old.

50:42And he's like, get it together, get a job. What did he say? He said, I think that's the most amazing idea you've ever come up with. He's like, I think it's awesome. He's like, can I help you get an apartment? Let's figure out how to pay for it and all this stuff. I think it's amazing. And I thought he was just gonna shoot it down. And so I went. And he went up there and he helped me find an apartment. And I mean, this is the, I'm trying to lead up to the, when I came back. So I did go to a culinary school, but I did do cooking, not baking or pastry or anything like that. And then I was working in New York. I had done my externship at a place called Blue Hill at Stone Barns. So it's a working farm. It's a kind of place where you go and do like, you know, a 14 course meal. You don't order anything. Everything comes off the farm. It's a really hard place to work with Dan Barber and he's amazing. I basically got my job there because I mentioned Julia Sullivan's name. Julia Sullivan? Yes. Really?

51:42Yes, because she did her externship there. And she is like a good family friend. And I was like, I know Julia Sullivan. And they were like, oh, she's amazing, you know? Wow. Yeah. And that was 10 years ago. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. They already knew how amazing she was back then. Nice. And I definitely, I assume they never took another recommendation on her name again. Oh, don't sell yourself short, stop it. I just, back then I was like, it's so hard to like have enough confidence. I think back about that stuff back, you know, 10 or 15 years ago, and I didn't have enough confidence. I was so nervous. And I looked back at what I was doing and I think, oh my God, if I could do that now, you know, now that I have a little bit more confidence, I could totally kill it. But back then I just was nervous and insecure and that kind of thing. Where does that confidence come from? Where do you get that? Time, you know? Working, you know? Solving problems, you know?

52:43That, I mean, and that's it. And that's like, I came into a situation at the bakery, like I said, so I worked for, there, at Blossom Barnes. And then when I left culinary school, I actually worked for Shake Shack for Union Square Hospitality Group, which I loved. And, but that was when my dad called me and said, I really don't wanna do all this every day-to-day stuff like anymore. Can you come down here? And I was working up there for nothing, you know? And working and I was like in my 30s and, you know, I thought, you know what? That sounds like a good idea. So I moved back down here. Yeah. So you did, so that brought you back to Nashville. Yeah. And you started working probably just doing a lot of the day-to-day business stuff that he didn't want to do? Well, I first started out just like working every job. I had worked a lot of jobs at the bakery, obviously, but the first thing I did, I spent six months working in production, working from one to nine, one a.m. to nine a.m. Oh, wow. Just to, I have an idea of how the mixing goes and that kind of thing.

53:43Then packing bread, doing the production management on the phone, that kind of thing. You know, just to make sure like, I think anybody who runs a business knows you can't run a business if you can't do every job. So you have a 24-hour facility. It's not 24 hours anymore. It used to be. We changed it. So that shift from one to nine, we actually changed it to four because who can work from one to nine and have a real life? Yeah. I mean, a lot of people do. That's what I was saying. I mean, there's a lot of people that work that third shift. That's a, there's bars. I've heard about, not that I'm good, but the bars are open. I've heard about those, yeah. Well, when you get from one to nine, you get off at nine and you want to go have a beer because then you sleep all day. No, I used to do that. I used to do that. I was living at the Bricksworth. Do you guys know what that is? Oh, why does it sound so familiar? The B-R-I-X? The Bricksworth, it's right across. It's on, it's on Harding, right across from Publix right there at Harding. And it's like where everybody's dad moves when their parents get divorced.

54:44Like, like, like. I didn't know there was a place. Or also nurses. She's like, so I had a great time there. Yeah, no, I didn't go. But I would work from one to nine and then a pool there and I would go get a bottle of wine when I got off work at nine and like. Kick it at the pool in the morning. Kick it at the pool in the morning and I'm sure I don't even know what people thought about that. But I was like, this is the end of my day, you know? Were you the only woman living there? No, I mean, there were lots of other women there but they definitely weren't at the pool at nine. With a bottle of wine. Yeah, yeah. I was just saying, there's a lot of divorcee dads. Yeah, yeah. That was, you know, actually I met my husband the, I think three weeks after I moved back to Nashville. Really, well, how'd you meet him? Oh God, this is a good story. We were having a birthday party. My friend, Ben Goldberg, he was having a birthday and his wife asked me and I had just moved back and we were gonna have this like super adult appetizer party at my little teeny tiny apartment there.

55:45Everybody knew I had just like moved back from culinary school so it was gonna be very, you know, sophisticated or whatever. But then his brother got involved. His brother, Max, is like so much fun. So it ended up being like a party bus. I spent like all day like preparing for this party and everybody ate and then we got on a party bus and went downtown and we went to 308. Oh yeah, well that's in East Nashville though. Yeah. And yeah, it was. And I ran into my husband and another friend of his and I said, hey, didn't you go to USN? He said, yeah, I did, yeah. University school in Nashville. Yes, he was a year behind me and I said, hey, we're gonna get on a party bus and go down to Robert's, do you wanna come? And he said, yes. So. The rest is history. Yeah, the rest is history. I also met my husband with Ben and Max Goldberg. Are you serious? Yeah, I was working for them. My husband and I were working, we opened lists altogether. Okay. And we met working there. Yeah. Look at them, just making matches. I know and my husband is a very quiet guy. He is not a like a house guy guy.

56:47Like he, you know, I think you can see in this interview, like I talk enough for two people. I can't believe I've done this interview already. I'm like, damn, this is gold. Yeah. No, I always say that. It had nothing to do with me getting married or meeting my wife. I think Ben Goldberg's birthday is July 7th because I think that's what we can, it was our anniversary the day we met him. There you go. There you go. Wow, look at that. Making matches. Making matches. Okay, so now you're gonna take it over and your dad's gonna retire, right? Yeah. Is that where we're at in this story? I wouldn't use the R word. I mean, my dad was never gonna retire. I mean, he was like a totally healthy, you know, late sixties guy. So he was still coming to work every day. So we did have a few years of just trying to figure that out. Like even just like a fight against, you know, direct deposit or this and that and like moving things forward. But it was the best, I mean, the idea that I got to come back here and like work with my dad, you know, before the end of his life is like pretty great.

57:56You know, like we were always very, very close. We always talked at least once a day before I moved back to Nashville. Wow. Maybe every other day. And then when he came back here or when I came back here, I mean, it was like three times a day, but it was really hard, you know, like all of a sudden we were fighting a lot, you know? Why were you, oh, cause you had differences and opinions on how you wanted to run the business? Exactly, and he's the boss, you know? Like, I mean, he says, I've been doing this for this long and I'm like, well, I just think we should do this. And at the end of the day, he decided, you know? But I think it only took a few years before he really did start to take my opinions into account. And like, you know, not that he never did, but he chose my opinion over his own, you know? That's it. It takes time to do that. You have to earn that autonomy. I did have to earn that from him, you know? I did, absolutely. What's a piece of wisdom that your dad, if your dad was here right now, and I said, what's a piece of wisdom about the bread business or just in life, something your dad taught you?

59:01In life, I mean, like, you're the same as everyone else. Like they're, you know, I don't know, like every single person is struggling with the same stuff, you know, whether they have money or they don't have money or whether they're working or not working, like everyone's struggling with the same thing, you know? And if you can make them laugh and talk to them as if they're a person and they feel connected to you, that matters. I think that that's something that anybody who knew my dad would know, like, he was really easy to connect with. And I think that that's because he offered up a lot of himself. And I think that that's how you connect with people. You offer your own stuff. You offer your own personal information. And he always did that. And people always felt very connected to him. You know, we had the Walker brothers in here a couple weeks ago, and they said, part of their mantra, like who they are, is they said, we wanna have great respect in our business partners. And I thought that was so fascinating, which is totally like a normal thing that should happen all the time.

01:00:02But I think they're so hyper-competitive and in this industry versus any other industry, vendors, bread, if it's a broad line vendor, if it's a produce vendor, if it's a dairy vendor, there's so much, there's such a lack of trust because there's not this transparency. There's this, why are you charging, why is there this discrepancy in what everybody's charging us? And so there's this back and forth I think that people have that can be difficult. But like if you're dead, so everybody's here, like, let's just all connect and let's make this thing happen. Let's be friendly. Let's be civil to each other in business. I think it's so important that you're talking about just in general in life and everything. Yeah, but I think that that's the same philosophy we have in the bakery. We are very transparent there. There is nobody trying to upcharge anybody for anything. Like, we're just making the bread that you order. We're charging you for it. If we make a mistake, I'm not gonna charge you for it. Like, there is not an HR department. There's not an accounting department. There's me and there's Tamara, who is like the most wonderful human being in the whole world.

01:01:02She is amazing. Yeah, she is. She's been in this industry for a long time. Yeah, exactly. And she, there's just the two of us. So if you've got a problem, you just call me. Our customers have the owner's cell phone. I mean, it's out there, you know? Oh my gosh, I gotta bring this up. Yeah. You made a post, like, a week or two ago. I shouldn't have done this, yeah. Because everybody's been mentioning it, yeah. Yeah, so you made this post that was like, listen, there is a CEO of a company who on the phone told me, like, calm down, little girl, or something along those lines. He said, be quiet and listen. It was just... And this person owes you, like, a significant amount of money or something? Like, what's the story around it? It wasn't even that much money, you know? It was $3,500. But we have not, we've been trying to be like, you know, we, like everybody else during COVID, have struggled a lot.

01:02:04Sure. And I don't mean to be like, woe is me, but like, people talk a lot about the restaurant industry and like, how much that struggled during COVID, but nobody talks about the people who supply the restaurant industry, especially smaller places. Like, yeah, nobody's gonna feel bad for Cisco, you know, but... I did. I talked about him, Gifford's Bacon, I was having people in that was like, let's talk about this. That's somebody like us, who's really struggling. And so, I just, we did not go after our customers aggressively during COVID in the last two years, you know, for money they owed us. And this person, I have been sending them invoices, monthly statements, this and that, and they basically shut me down. So we're not paying? Yeah, the accountant person shut me down. So, it wasn't actually that hard to figure out from, like, what the email address is, what the, like, if you Googled the CEO's name, like, what his email address might be. And so, basically, I just sent him every open, like, every open invoice, and he called me back, and he basically told me I was rude and disrespectful, and that I should be, I was just trying to explain the situation, and he just kept telling me to be quiet and listen, which was extremely frustrating for me, but I wanted the money, you know what I mean?

01:03:27Sure. It's been a long time. Did you get it? I haven't gotten it yet, which is why I haven't said what his name is, but. Yeah. Like, yeah. Well, I mean, do you think that that is something, do you think that if I was the person on the phone, and I was calling him, and I said, Mr. CEO, this is Brandon Styll with Sharpier's Bakery. This is my, do you think he would tell me to calm down and listen? Or do you think that was because you're a woman? Well, I mean, with your voice, no, I don't think he would. I do think it's probably sexist. I mean, that's where I'm going with this. I don't know him personally, but yeah. It's, you know, it's a thing going on, you know? I can't tell you how long I've been my dad's daughter, you know, this kind of thing, like even trying to go in and talk to people, people who call me and ask me about buns. I mean, honestly, this is so messed up to say, but like the best thing that ever happened to me was having two kids and gaining some weight. And so I stopped being, like I stopped looking like somebody they might ask out for a date.

01:04:28I can't tell you those first five years that I was selling bread, that I would go in and try to just talk to, I'm just doing my job, you know, talking in, like talking to them about sandwich bread, like prices, that kind of thing. I want to help find you fresh baked bread for your business. I want to help you succeed. You called me, you asked me for samples, but at the end of the meeting, they'd say, so where do you like to get a drink when you're done at the day, you know? Hey, what are you doing later? Yeah, basically. And that's, it's just complicated, you know? Like, you know, like, I'm just trying to here do my job. Like, I just, you know. There's probably women across the city that are listening to this going, preach on. Yeah, you know, I just like, you called me, you asked me for bread, I showed up with bread. At the end of this meeting, why do you have to ask me where I want to get a drink? Like, you know, it's just so uncomfortable. Yeah, I got hit on last night at work. Yeah, it was weird.

01:05:28And I, cause I- You were a guest? Yes. Oh. Yeah, it was a big party. And this guy, and I, at first I was like, well, surely that's not happening. Cause my uniform, I don't care if anyone in my company hears this, I'm friends with all of them and they know I hate that uniform so passionately. Anyway, it's really not flattering. You don't have to wear pieces of flair, do you? No, I try to. I literally like, I like joke all the time. It's, it doesn't matter. It's a really bad uniform. They all know I feel that way. It is what it is. I'm not getting any change out of this. Anyway, so this guy was hitting on me and I was like, well, that can't be because I know what is, what I'm wearing. I'm like, are you- Me? I'm like looking around. Stop it. And then it was pretty, no, but I'm like pretty self-confident about like, I think I'm really cute. I love my outfits. You are pretty. Thank you. So are you. But I literally, like, I'm not like one of those women that's like never me, but in that outfit, I'm like, never me. And anyway, so for a while I was like, this isn't real. And then it just like, it was pretty unavoidable. Yeah. And I was like, okay, well, this is definitely happening.

01:06:29He also happened to be sitting at the cap, which was the only place I could like serve from. You know what I mean? So like, I don't know. He, it just like got a little weird. And then I found out he has like a three week old kid and he has a 15 month old kid. And so do I. Gross, sir. Well, so then I like come home and I'm, I'm telling like the other staff and like, I feel so weird about this. They all know my husband. I feel like I haven't been hit on in forever. And they're like, oh, just lean into it. And I'm like, no, I didn't, I don't want it. Like I'm busy. Like I need to get to that woman to give her the salad. I don't, I'm not trying to like be cute with the guy. Like I want to reach the woman. I am. And so I came home and I told my husband, and he literally goes, in that outfit? And I was like, oh, yes, it's a really bad apron. It's a really bad apron. Anyway, but everybody's always saw you lean into it. And I think that's tough. Like I have, and I, I'll be honest, like I have leaned into it. I have been a cocktail waitress. I have, you know, waited a lot of tables and I lean into it.

01:07:30That's the thing about the industry though, it's like you, they are your guests. They are tipping you. Once I found out he wasn't paying the check, I was like, oh, we're good. I don't need to, like fuck that guy. But like you do kind of have to, and it is a fine line. Cause I, at least I always feel like I shouldn't have to do that. I shouldn't have to flirt to get your business, to get the 20%, to get whatever. Like I should not have to. If I want to by my own volition, that's a different story. But like I shouldn't feel like I have to in order to make sure I get my 20%. And I think that that's the hardest part for me is I spent so many years serving and working, you know, front of house and that kind of thing. And so to go in as a business owner with bread that like, I'm not even trying to sell them. They called me, you know, and am I supposed to lean into it? Like I just, I found that very difficult, you know, like to how to manage it, you know? And like I said, then there's this guy who's on the phone with me. And obviously this is another thing I mentioned earlier in the interview is like, I have a lot more confidence now than I had 10 or 15 years ago.

01:08:38And so I just like, I don't even deal with that stuff so much, you know? But to have this guy on the phone, I did feel very small for him to say, why don't you just be quiet and listen? Like as if explaining my business's, you know, needs were smaller. And then I just, I can't even tell you this email where it was like, if you were running your business right, you would have already done this and that and you know, all this stuff. And it was just like, you know? I do. I'm most locally owned and operated bakery that like, I'm working really hard to provide this product for people during a global pandemic. I'm giving daily delivery of fresh bread. Like my goal is to help these restaurants with their products so they can have more guests. I'm not even hounding, but it's been a year. Like, can I get a little, like there should be a little bit from that guy going, you know what, I am so sorry that this is the situation.

01:09:41Let me work on it. Can we get on a payment plan? Can I give you a hundred dollars a month? We're really hurting too. Can we just- I say that to everybody. I say that to all of our customers. You know, we really appreciate our customers. Like a lot of them really stuck with us through the pandemic when we weren't able to offer what we normally offer, you know? Like the six days a week and like, they really stuck with us. And like, you know, that's the reason we're still in business because of their loyalty. But this guy, like, he's trying to, he's a national corporation and trying to pull the, we're a family business thing on me. We're a family business too. Like- No. You've got restaurants all over the country. Yeah. Like- Just tell me it's not Olive Garden. Yeah. No. I actually know who it is, I'm not gonna say. Yeah, yeah. You'll tell me later. No, I'll, I'm waiting till I get the check before I- Well, I'm just really glad it's not Olive Garden. Cause the whole thing is when we're here, we're family, and that's my favorite restaurant. I'm sorry. So I would have been- I promise you it's not Olive Garden. Yeah. Okay, good, good, good. You can still get the breadsticks.

01:10:41Okay, thank you. And feel good about it. It would have really fucked up my day. I actually randomly went to Olive Garden in Franklin, like a month ago, and it was great. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's my, so like truly, Olive Garden is my end all be all restaurant. Like there are so many fantastic local restaurants. Yeah. But I love Olive Garden. I go every birthday. Yeah. Our birthday for a while was, well, our special occasion restaurant is Lachlan Table. Yeah. It's my favorite. I say it every time. It's so good. I love it. Yeah. Hal and Kara are just- I love Kara. Yeah. They're just like the greatest people. I'm telling you. I just love them. I love their food and I love their whole vibe. Okay, but what is your, like your non-local, just- Chewy's. Okay. Okay. See, everybody has one. Chewy's, it's Chewy's. I love the thin chips. I love the pico. And then I love their little jalapeno ranch dip. And then the chicken cheek boom enchiladas is like- Okay. Comfort food to me. Can I say I have a problem with that?

01:11:41Yes, of course. Because I went to college in Austin, Texas, where Chewy's is from before they started. And I feel like the original Chewy's and there was like a sister restaurant, I can't remember that was on the water. And I feel like it's always disappointing. I don't like Chewy's. Because it was a local restaurant at the time. You know what I'm saying? They make, so when I was a drinker- I should probably try again. We used to live in Hillsborough Village. My mom loves it. I'm proud of you. We lived in Hillsborough Village in the heyday of Hillsborough Village, right? Sam's, Bosco's, Jackson's, Sunset Grill. We had all those things when we lived there. It was amazing, right? And we literally, I was in the parking lot, the back parking lot of Sam's. I mean, I could just, I could watch. I was right there and it was really great. My husband and I, one of our first dates was at Jackson's, if it makes you feel- Oh, and I'm at Jackson's, that's where I met Jeff Martin. There's so many amazing people from Jackson's. But we used to walk down 21st Avenue. When Chewy's first opened, it was brand new right there. And we would drink these Texas margaritas that they would make.

01:12:41It was a 12 dollar margarita, but it was like two-hitter quitter, right? I'm familiar with those as somebody who went to college in Austin. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You'd drink like two of them and I was like, good to go. It was like our little spot that we would go to and they'd do a great happy hour, whatever. But there's more memories there because my wife and I would go there before we had kids. Exactly, exactly, yeah. We would get drunk, just her and I, and walk, we would walk down and we would just walk through Vanderbilt and walk home. And we had such a great conversation. So there's some memories behind it that's not just like Chewy's. It's like that brings us back to that time when we were both no kids. Absolutely. And that's how I feel about Chewy's from Austin. And they had this horrible place, I shouldn't say horrible. They had a chain restaurant in Austin called Baby Acapulco's and they had purple margaritas and you were actually only allowed to order two. Oh, I know. That's almost like a dare. That's like, you're only allowed to have two. What made them purple? Food coloring. I'm sure some sort of food coloring and whatever. It could have been more interesting. It could have been blueberries or something.

01:13:42No, I mean, this is a college town. It was like, I'm sure they put whatever 100-proof alcohol. You're like food coloring though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, there's blue curacao you could use. Yeah, I know, I was just wondering because margaritas don't have that many variations. Well, I guess they have a lot of variations. I mean, I think to call it a margarita is a really loose, loose, yeah. Crunk juice. Yeah, yeah. I mean, they might have put salt on the rim, but. So then what is your chain restaurant? My favorite chain restaurant? Yeah. Oh gosh. I'm like, what's in West Nashville? I'm very proximity-based. But those chains, they're everywhere. There's gotta be. I mean, if you wanted me to say a fast food restaurant, I love Taco Bell. Great. I mean, yeah, I absolutely love Taco Bell. I heard they're bringing back the Mexican pizza on April. Okay. I mostly, they got rid of the pico, like what? They made some choices I don't agree with over the last few years. They've made some choices I don't agree with.

01:14:43Yeah. We went to Chattanooga a couple weeks ago and we went through a Taco Bell and I was like, there's like nothing on this menu that gets me excited anymore. Okay, that's because you're in your, like, in mid-40s. The burrito levels are like. I stopped, I stopped, I stopped, I stopped, I stopped. You're gonna be here soon, Jen. I didn't even get the words out. No, my husband's also, like, it's not a judgment. I just, I'm not good at math. You know that. Yeah. I do know that. Yeah. Math and outdoor activities. My mom's a math teacher, did you know that? Are you good at math? I am good at math. Oh. I'm good at math too. I like math. I should be better at math than my mom. I was a little disappointed earlier when she said, what's 48 times 40? I was disappointed that you didn't. 48 times 40? No, 48 times four is what you said. And anyway. Oh, that's 160. See, he's so good at fast math. And I was like really bummed that I didn't know the answer. My dad was really good at that also. Yeah, he could always do like, I mean, and then I think that was from years and years of like, you know, scaling up formulas and that kind of thing. Like he could do the math just like that in his head. He remembered numbers like insane.

01:15:43Yeah. That's good. Mine's learned over time. I just like, I like looking at numbers because numbers indicate results. And there's always a right answer. When you work really, they don't, the thing about numbers is math doesn't lie. Exactly, there's always a right answer. When you're talking to people in sales and you're talking about deliveries and people are like, well, how come they're cheaper than you? And I go, because you ate five deliveries from me. And they go. That's your 10 on logic. Yeah, but it's 100% logic. It's like if I delivered you five times, it cost me $100 per delivery. It cost me $500 in business with you. You're ordering 50 total cases. I gotta make $10 a case to break even. So henceforth, I wanna make at least $2 a case. I gotta charge you $12 and they're like, damn, okay. And I go, so that's why you're paying more. Math doesn't lie, the numbers don't lie. He's so good at that. It's true. It's just like not my area of. Well, I mean, if you double that, if you say, okay, so you're going 100 cases and I'm doing five deliveries. Well, now I have to charge you $5. You don't buy from that. You now double your numbers. I charge you half price and I make more and you pay less.

01:16:43Now, if you could do all of that. They turned it off. They're gone. The listeners, they left. Oh. Okay. Bye. I think about math because, well, because I- We'll see you guys later. Yeah, yeah, bye. I know. We're just talking. Just like, I'm also leaving unless I can get some more coffee. I, my sisters- Have I talked about the bakery at all? Yeah. My sisters, we were talking. We were standing in line at a Mexican restaurant on Nolensville Road one time. No, it was La Hacienda. But we were standing in line and I was telling her about my shoes. Yeah, that's a great one. Nolensville is the best. But I'm talking about my shoes and she literally looked at me and cheek said, I'm sorry. What did you say? I fell asleep. I was like, oh my God. You have a lot of conversations about your shoes though. Everybody in the world needs somebody that will say that to them though. I did, yeah. That like, when you're talking, they just go, I just fell asleep. Like, whatever, it's the most boring thing you've ever heard somebody say. Like, so they can look you in the eye and tell you that. You're like, you're my people. See, I feel like I know that as it's coming out of my mouth. Like, half the time, like, especially after the last two years where my husband and I have been like, spent a lot of time together, you know?

01:17:48And like- You said that like it was a bad thing. No, but it's been great. Like, I can't think of a better person who like, he moved stuff from working to home and he took care of our three-month-old and our three-year-old when our daycare closed in March of 2020. Oh wow. He stayed home full-time with the kids or whatever. And I can't think of a better person. But sometimes I just, I'm like telling him a story from work and I can, he's feigning interest, you know? Like, and I just look at him and I just stopped talking and I said, I'm sorry, this isn't a good story. Like, you know, I just talk at him so much, you know? My husband will also let me know when the story's not good. I just have no poker face. So like, you can tell when I'm not listening. Yeah, you're very good. And he's like, you're not, it's fine. And he'll just stop the story. But like, my husband will actively be like, hey, this is not going anywhere or it's taking too long to get there. So I need you to either speed it up or wrap it up. Like, we're done. I will say. So we were like talking about some real stuff for a second there. We were talking about- Well, I was gonna take it back. My dad was a great storyteller.

01:18:49I think I got that from him. I think I got, and I think we were talking about my dad making connection with people. And I think we're still trying to do that. And the amazing thing is it's so complicated when you come and take over your family business because there's so much pressure. Like, am I gonna just tank this? Like, you know, like, you know, that's the biggest fear. Like, you tank it. You tank your, you know, parents, you know, life's work. Why do you wanna make him proud of you and of the bakery? Well, he's worked his entire life and there's a lot of pressure for you to keep it going. Yeah, but I think that one of the lucky things I got was I got that from him. And what I was saying before about people sharing with him is that my dad always offered a lot of himself to people. And I sort of think I do that too in the idea that like I don't have a lot of personal filter. Like, I don't have a lot of personal secrets. Like, ask me, I'll tell you, you know? But I think that that makes other people feel comfortable.

01:19:49You know, it makes other people feel comfortable to be like, even take it to a business level. Like, hey, I messed up. Like, I forgot to order. Can you help me? You're like, of course, yeah, no problem. You know, we all do that, you know? And so I think that that's, you know, something my dad set up, you know, to be flexible, to be helpful. Like, we don't wanna be like, okay, if you didn't get your order in by, you know, this time, then, you know, you're not gonna have any hamburger buns tomorrow. Sure. So anyways. Yeah. I feel like we talked so little about bread and so little. Well, that's kind of the, it's so funny. I love that when people come in and they're like, I'm so sorry we talked about me the whole time. I was so nervous about this whole thing. And I feel like I just talked about like, you know. I told you, if everybody comes in like, we didn't talk about my business too much. This is not a show about business. This is a show about people, the people behind the business. Exactly, yeah.

01:20:50I think if I'm out there right now and I'm listening to this, I think, wow, that's a real person. That's a real person that runs a local business that cares about her community and works her ass off every single day to provide for them and her family. And why am I buying frozen, par-baked bread from, you know, Cisco when I could be buying, yeah, well, I could be buying fresh, they'll deliver the fresh bread and it's not that much more expensive, if not less expensive. It's probably the same, yeah. I could be supporting this local person and all of the people that she has working for him. And that's kind of, you know, that's one of the things as a sponsor of the show, you know, and this isn't a paid interview. This is just, I just love talking to you. And I'm like, let's share our conversation with everybody. I literally am looking at you guys. I'm like, so when can I come back? This is like been a therapy session. This is the most exciting thing I've done in like two years. Well, that means a lot to me. I love the fact that you're here in studio. I love your shirt. Thank you. It's a great shirt. Thank you for giving it to me.

01:21:51You're welcome. To clarify, she's wearing a Nashville restaurant radio shirt. Yeah, you guys should really get these. They like, I don't know where they order them from, but they're like soft. The sleeves aren't too tight. I actually have already washed it and dried it. And it's, yeah. Still fits well? Yeah, no, it's great. It's a good t-shirt. It fits over the hips? I only have- It's a woman's t-shirt, that's important? All the, I only have two sizes left. I'm gonna need to order some more. I'm gonna get some more and I'm gonna get some more hats. Some out of hats. I only have three hats left. And they're in here. And I need to get new hats. So if you're a company out there, I've got a guy, I've got a great guy, Chris Burris. I'm like, give me a call. I want different hats. I use this branded Bill's hats and they're really expensive. Like 20 bucks a hat and I wanna go with something that's- Yikes, okay. You can't be giving away this for free. I've given away like 150 of them. They're really expensive. I've got a lady. She's like actually my postwoman. She does a lot of that stuff.

01:22:52I'll give you her number. No, I've got a great guy. I've got a great guy. Okay, sorry. But she could help with the shipping too. I mean- There you go. There it is. So on your list over there, what have we missed? What do you want, what do you want us to cover? We're about an hour, a little more than an hour into the show. Okay. I think on my list, which is just a half page, I just, mostly I wanted to make sure that I thanked our customers for sticking with us for these last few years. But wait, do that at the very end when I give you your chance to talk. You're Jerry's final thought. Yes. Oh, okay. We rebranded. She'll get that reference though. How do I get like- She probably will. Well, can I also thank my employees? You know, like- Well, let's do it. The last thing I wanna say is I wanted to bring up Talu Quinn. Okay, good. And I was very affected by her. She and I grew up in Nashville at the same time. And she passed away last month. And she was the founder of the Nashville Food Project. And my dad and I both worked with her a lot.

01:23:53And I found her really inspiring. And we were friends, but not close friends. But I just like, as I'm moving forward in my life, I look at Talu Quinn and I think, how could I be more like her? No, I just wrote her name down here. I don't really know what I was gonna say about her. Yeah. No, I think that's a good person to shoot for. I just thought if there was an opportunity to say something about her, I don't know if it would be there or not, but yeah. Well, at the end of the show, I always ask every guest to take us out. Whatever you wanna say, as long as you wanna say it. So we could do that now. Yeah, let's do it. So I always say, Jerry's final thought. Do you know what that means? No. Okay. Nobody does. No, I- I recognize it. Nobody knows what it means. I thought for sure you would though. You guys have been in this club all day. And so I thought for sure you would know it. I tried it. Okay. Can you give me a clue? It's Jerry Springer. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. I get it, but I pointed out- But I didn't watch that one as much.

01:24:53All right. That was on before I got home from school. Well, that's the thing. When you're sick from school, you watch bullshit television. I know, I know, yeah. It's like, you're right. The price is right. Like if the price is right is on at home, I'm like, somebody's sick. 10 a.m. Yeah, 10 a.m. It's like somebody's watching. Somebody's not. If I ever am like sick and I'm in a bed, I'm like 10 o'clock. I'm like, oh, should I get to watch the price is right? When are you ever watching TV at 10 a.m. on a weekday? Right. Never. Apparently, there are a lot of people watching 10 a.m. Yeah. They need their annuity to be cashed. Personal injury lawyers all day there. And anyway, so Erin, at the end of our show, we ask each one of our guests, which I'm sure you know this, but we won't go ahead and do it, to say whatever they like as long as they want. One day I'll put all of these together and I'll make like a long episode about it. But final thoughts? Get to go, to you, say whatever you want. Go. Yeah, I would say our final, my final thought is like to say thank you to our customers.

01:25:53It's been a tough two years for everyone's business. So to say thank you to our customers and my employees who stuck with me. They stayed with us. Our customers stayed with us when we were only working two days a week. And maybe, you know, they needed bread otherwise. And only because of them, we're still here doing, you know, our 36 year, we're still doing this interview. Only because our employees, because they stuck with us. You know, we have a lot of long-term employees and they said, okay, we're gonna stay here. We don't know what's gonna happen. But basically, everybody did that with us. And because of them, we're still here. Because otherwise, it could have easily shut down. But like without you guys buying these hamburger buns and these, you know, baguettes and being flexible with us, like the last two years. Like I said, both are our employees and our customers. Like being totally flexible about the hours, about when we could deliver, you know, like we're still here, thank God. And I think now we can move back into, you know, being the best we can be, so.

01:26:58Well, thank you so much for your time today. And thank you for your sponsorship of the show. It's so great to talk to you guys. It means a lot. I'm glad you got to come in today. I was so excited about this interview because I just knew it was gonna be fun. I love your interview. I've been dying for you to ask me. Yeah. I love your interview. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was so much fun having you here. And we definitely need to do this. Again, I'm, if you guys will see, we have a monitor here in the studio. Right. There is a big old TV in here. There's on the wall. We are gonna bring back talk and shift. Oh, yeah. And we're gonna be able to. Can I be on that? Yes. That's when we're gonna be fun. We'll do it in here. But now we can have the camera. We can do live shows. And we'll be able to all see what's going on. It'll be a lot of fun. And then, so we're gonna bring that back. I can also take live phone calls now during the show. So we can. That's how he played that song. So I played the song. Yeah, I can do a lot of stuff. Yeah. Should we take us out with that? Yes. It should be like the way. We gotta find the chorus.

01:27:58They're gonna sue you for like. I don't think so. They're probably not even a band anymore. Nobody's listening. Here's our outro music. How about it? It's your new jam. It's not. All right, man. What a fun show that was. What a great conversation with Erin Mosso. Like, I think we kind of nailed it on that intro today. Yeah. Yeah. We got to do all this stuff. I'm just gonna play this song as we do the outro. It's gonna haunt me, this song. I guarantee now that I've heard it, I'll hear it like just in speakers. Every station that you listen to is gonna play this song today. I think it's really sweet that you think I listen to stations. Well, what do you listen to? Podcasts and books. Well, that'd be good. Yeah, I don't listen to a lot of them. Or my own playlists. I listen to the highway sometimes. Like just no sound, you mean? No, I listen to music sometimes too.

01:28:59But when you say that you listen to the highway. That's a radio station. On XM. Gotcha. It's a whole thing. I thought you just turned the music off and like put your windows down and you're just listening to the sounds of the highway. I like to meditate and be alone. No, I'm in a car with no sound, I start getting anxious. I know you call me in the car a lot. That's my thing. I definitely, that is my time to talk. It's an absolute thing. All right, Erin Mosso, thank you for joining the show today. Yeah, that was a lot of fun. Thank you, the listener for listening, we had a blast. Yeah, that was great. Thanks, Erin. You rule. And I'm just gonna let you listen to the songs as we take it out. You're so lucky. Can we just get to the chorus? Get to the chorus part here, ready? I've still never heard the chorus. I've still never heard the chorus. Maybe there isn't a chorus.

01:30:07I was gonna, you both have been anticipating. Do you hear that? That's it. Mr. Window. That's a chorus? That's a bridge. I don't know what the hell that is. All right, we thank you for listening and we have got a bunch of cool shows coming up. This is Monday. Have a wonderful rest of your week out there. We are gonna be back next week. We've got a bunch of interviews this week. It's gonna be a lot of fun. Thank you for listening. Hope you're being safe out there. Love you guys. Bye. ["Mr. Window"] ["Mr. Window"]